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I'm trying to create a WYSIWYG editor using a div, just like Google Docs works (as far as I know). I am aware there are other, easier solution for editors, but all have one thing in common: they output terrible HTML thanks to the Javascript execCommand() function. I really need it to output clean HTML (and the same HTML across browsers), so therefore I'm thinking about writing my own editor with a regular div and some Javascript (to record click and keypresses etc.) Before I do that though, I have a couple of questions:
Does the editor I'm looking for (one that outputs the same, clean HTML across browsers) already exist?
Am I mistaken that it is possible to write this?
Thanks a lot!
Edit: I think I should have been clearer on this: I don't consider existing WYSIWYG editors (like TinyMCE or CKEditor) an option, because (and please correct me if I'm wrong) they use the Javascript execCommand() function. This (especially in combination with an iFrame in design mode, which they both use), outputs different, illogical HTML in different browsers. For example: a simple enter in Safari causes it to create a div, instead of adding a <br /> tag or create a new paragraph (<p>). Furthermore: making text bold causes Mozilla to add <span style="font-weight: bold">, Internet Explorer and Opera to add <strong> and Safari to add a <b> tag. Not to mention the tricks some browsers pull by adding their name to tags (Safari I'm looking at you, I don't like <span class="Apple-style-span">). Because there's no way to change all these strange behaviors, it's very hard for me to make the site look consistent.
That's the reason I'm thinking about writing my own alternative: cross-browser compatibility and consistency...
Creating an editor from scratch is a massive undertaking because of the sheer number of browser quirks and bugs with in-browser editing. I've done it several times for various niche projects. My advice would be to start with either TinyMCE or CKEditor as a base and extend them. Both have had unbelievable amounts of development time poured into them over several iterations to get them as good as they are now. Try taking a look at their bug trackers to get an idea of what they have to contend with. Both have decent options for extension, so you could write your own formatting commands to replace document.execCommand() and in both you can add buttons/tools to the toolbar and context menus.
Self-promotion alert: Another option for the future is to use the commands module I'm working on for my Rangy library. It's some way off completion but will initially have replacements for inline formatting commands offered by document.execCommand(), and will allow control of the tags/CSS it produces. Rough early demo here: http://rangy.googlecode.com/svn/branches/1point2/demos/commands.html
Don't do this. There are teams of developers behind high profile WYSIWYG editors, and they already have the workflow built into their development to handle cross browser testing.
Look at
TinyMCE
CKeditor
Dojo Toolkit's Dijit.Editor
http://280slides.com/ built for the canvas tag
Everything is possible if you are stubborn enough.
The two we looked at were:
http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/
and
http://ckeditor.com/
Both did exactly what we wanted but in the end we went with the commercial CKeditor.
Did you already try TinyMCE ?
You have full control over the output via different parameters or existing plugins, also possible to write your own plugin..
I am a super newb at developing web pages. Especially pages that are created dynamically from javascript.
I have a page that I have worked on that uses some templates from prototype, and widgets from dojo, as well as plain old javascript. This page looks and acts perfectly in firefox.
It is basically adding rows to a table, and adding widgets to the cells.
The widgets basically seem like they are in the wrong column/wrong place.
Where do I start looking to figure out what the incompatibilities are between firefox and IE?
There are lots of sites that will give you information about compatibility. I'd check google. Also, you can download IETester which will allow you to see how your site looks in most IE versions (5.5+).
Take a look at: http://www.quirksmode.org/
I am currently trying to make a template that displays well with FF do the same in IE.
So far, I am breaking it down div by div with corresponding JS function.
Then it is easier to look up the specifics of that particular piece you are trying to make compatible.
For example, I was implementing the enter key and noticed it worked well in FF and not IE. After I looked at that specific input box in html and gathered there were no problems with it, I dove into that specific JS function. Inside I found that the currentTarget wasn't "working". I did a quick search on current target in IE and got all the info I needed to get it to work.
Get yourself a good JS debugger as well, FireBug works with both browsers.
There just aren't good web standards in the web industry right now. Everyone is doing their own thing, it is like the house and bank market. These guys are trying though.
How does the Chrome Developer Tool "Properties" section help with CSS/JavaScript development?
In the screenshot it shows blur, contains, focus, etc.
I don't know what you can do with these.
It's showing you exactly which JavaScript functions are included in that element's prototype (the functions that you can call on that element).
It helps when you're trying to figure out exactly how you can solve a specific problem but you're not sure exactly what JavaScript functions you have available to you.
Speaking about css, i found the dev tool to be very very usefull. I use it to debug my css code and check whatever an element inherited a class that doesn't mean to be there.
I never used it for javascript code, except for random errors i couldn't solve by myself.
Here's a sample page with a couple datepickers. Here's the Drip result for that:
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This page leaks indefinitely in IE6sp1 when I click the Refresh button repeatedly (IE6sp3+, Opera 9, Chrome2, and FF3+ seem to be good). The memory goes up and never goes down until I actually close the browser completely.
I've also tried using the latest nightly of jquery (r6414) and the latest stable UI (1.7.2) but it didn't make any difference. I've tried various things with no success (CollectGarbage, AntiLeak, others).
I'm looking for a solution other than "use a different browser!!1" as I don't have any control over that. Any help will be greatly appreciated!
Update 1: I added that button event to a loop and this is what happens (the sudden drop off is when I terminate IE):
Update 2: I filed a bug report (fingers crossed).
Update 3: This is also on the mailing list.
Update 4: This (as reported on the mailing list) doesn't work, and in fact makes things worse:
$(window).bind("unload", function() {
$('.hasDatepicker').datepicker('destroy');
$(window).unbind();
});
It's not enough to just call destroy. I'm still stranded with this one and getting very close to ripping jquery out of the project. I love it (I really do!) but if it's broken, I can't use it.
Update 5: Starting the bounty, another 550 points to one helpful individual!
Update 6: Some more testing has shown that this leak exists in IE6 and IE6sp1, but has been fixed in IE6sp2+. Now, about the answers I have so far...
So far all answers have been any one of these:
Abandon IE6sp0/sp1 users or ignore
them
Debug jquery and fix the problem myself
I can't repro the problem.
I know beggars can't be choosers, but those simply are not answers to my problem.
I cannot abandon my users. They make up 25% of the userbase. This is a custom app written for a customer, designed to work on IE6. It is not an option to abandon IE6sp0/sp1. It's not an option to tell my customers to just deal with it. It leaks so fast that after five minutes, some of the weaker machines are unusable.
Further, while I'd love to become a JS ninja so I can hunt down obscure memory leaks in jquery code (granted this is MS's fault, not jquery's), I don't see that happening either.
Finally, multiple people have reproduced the problem here and on the mailing list. If you can't repro it, you might have IE6SP2+, or you might not be refreshing enough.
Obviously this issue is very important to me (hence the 6 revisions, bounty, etc.) so I'm open to new ideas, but please keep in mind that none of those three suggestions will work for me.
Thanks to all for your consideration and insights. Please keep them coming!
Update 7: The bounty has ended and Keith's answer was auto-accepted by SO. I'm sorry that only half the points were awarded (since I didn't select the answer myself), but I'm still really stuck so I think half is fair.
I am hopeful that the jquery/jquery-ui team can fix this problem but I'm afraid that I'll have to write this off as "impossible (for now)" and stop using some or all of jquery. Thanks to everyone for your help and consideration. If someone comes along with a real solution to my problem, please post and I'll figure out some way to reward you.
I hate to say this, your approach is correct and professional, but I'd be tempted to just leave it.
The consequences of not fixing this is that IE6 users will notice their machine getting slower and slower and ultimately either crashing completely or more likely crashing IE6.
So what?
Really - why is this your problem?
Yours definitely won't be the only site they visit with this leak, and they will see IE6 crash regularly regardless of what you do, because that's what it does.
It's unlikely that anyone still on IE6 could even point out your application as one that leaks.
Finally when IE6 does crash it reports IE6 as the culprit - you can legitimately point out that this is a bug in IE6 that Microsoft have fixed in a new release.
Your expensive time is better spent on improving the application for the users not trapped in legacy hell - your app should basically work for IE6 users, but this sort of issue can suck away all of your time and not fix their problem. IE6 is still going to be an unsupported, crash ridden, security hole of a browser.
I suspect the jQuery devs take a similar view to me. Also you have to do some really ugly stuff to get round this bug in IE6, including hacky DOM work that stops the leak but is actually much slower.
Update
Ok, this isn't an easy problem to fix - MS describe the IE6 bug (and provide advice on how to fix it) here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb250448(VS.85).aspx
Basically this isn't a problem with javascript or jQuery - the actual issue is with the IE6 DOM - when HTML elements are added to the page (by javascript, rather than being in the page when it loads) IE can't garbage collect them unless they are created in a very specific way.
This is back to front from how jQuery UI builds elements (see DOM insertion order bug in the link above) and so this isn't something that either the jQuery devs or you can easily fix.
So how do you fix the issue? Well, you can stick with the legacy pop-up calendar for IE6 or you can write your own one.
I would recommend the former, but if you really want to built the latter there are some basic rules to follow:
Always add elements top-down - for instance if you want to built a table add the <table> element into the page's DOM, then add <tr> then <td> and so on. This is back to front as it's much quicker to build the entire table and then add it to the DOM - unfortunately that's where IE6 loses track of it.
Only use CSS and HTML 3.2 attributes - sounds dumb, but IE6 creates extra objects to store the extra attributes (or 'expando' properties) and these also leak.
Kinda related to (2), but as #gradbot mentions IE6 has problems garbage collecting javascript variables - if they reference a DOM element inside an event fired from that element you can get problems. This is also compounded by javascript references to DOM elements that have 'expando' properties.
If you have a look around online there may already be a drop-down DHTML calendar that sticks to these rules - it won't be as pretty, quick or configurable as the jQuery UI one, but I'm sure I've seen it done without leaking in IE6.
I think the best bet is to keep as much static as possible - for instance you could load the calendar grid (week numbers and day column headings) with the page and then dynamically load in the numbers (and nothing else). Create the day numbers as links, with javascript in the href - not best practice normally but far less likely to leak in IE6.
It's obvious that the problems you've been describing stem from a flaw in IE6 that you can't subvert with a software fix (be it a jQuery update, a manual call to CollectGarbage, or some other JavaScript/DOM hack).
There are 3 options, in my mind, that would fix this problem.
I would imagine that your customers/users are using IE6 SP0 because of some company standard or regulation, or even because some older web-app they still use doesn't support newer browsers. If it's not an option to upgrade to IE7 (or therefore IE8), you could get in contact with your customers' IT department and politely point out that updating IE6 with the latest service packs would not only fix a problem with an application that they are paying for, but also patch many security and performance flaws that undoubtedly exist in IE6 SP0. Admittedly, that might not be a comfortable situation, but it might solve the problems you are encountering, while still allowing them to work with a browser that require for whatever reason.
If you can convince your customers' IT department that IE6 is antiquated, they may be willing to allow your users to upgrade to a newer browser. It's not a stretch to say that someone running an IT department would be more willing to force employees to upgrade a piece of software if they knew it was either a) riddled with flaws and security holes or b) approaching its end of support date (as IE6 SP0 is). IE6 SP0 on XP Pro SP2 is supported until July 13, 2010 - so it still has some time, but pointing that out, along with other flaws/limitations you could find might make them think seriously about upgrading sooner rather than later.
If you can't convince anyone to upgrade their browsers either to IE6 SPX, or to IE7/8, then I don't know if you have a choice but to remove the offending control from your page, and pursue a different option until the user's browser permits it. There are assuredly many implementations of a date picker control available online which would suit your needs. It might not be as snazzy as the jQuery version, but you don't have many other options at this point.
I hope you find a solution!
try deleting these objects after destroying the datepicker object:
$.datepicker = null;
$.fn.datepicker = null;
This problem is either in a IE6-only part of jQuery, or in a general part of jQuery that is lacking IE6 especific code (as noted in the comments). Either way, it's still a bug in jQuery that needs addressing.
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You'll either have to dig yourself into jQuery or file a bug ticket. If you manage to fix it, don't forget to attach a diff to the bugtracker, so the project gets a little bit better. ;)
If I get some spare time, I'll try to help you with this.
Edit
Ok, so the problem seems unsurmountable.
The leak you are facing is an IE 6 SP 0 only problem, a leak caused by IE's approach to DOM. Doesn't matter what JS framework you use, it refuses to work correctly.
So, your current options are:
Die trying to get your users to upgrade IE 6 to a newer version/Service Pack,
Die (as in leak) in IE (loosing customers) or
Die trying to work on IE.
But that doesn't necesarily means you can't work this out. What about just trying to side pass the wole thing?
Show every non IE 6 SP 0 user the jQuery datepicker, and only IE 6 SP 0 another more resilient (and probably basic) datepicker with IE's conditional comments. This way you can keep the eye candy/functionality in your software, and allow IE 6 users to have the same basic functionality.
It might not be such a clean option, but you'd still be able to use what you want, and IE6 will still be able to work without leaking.
The only problem will be that you'll have a bigger burden, by having to degug two distinct datepickers. But you'll have to debug IE 6 anyway so, it may be your best bet at the moment.
The problem with IE 6 is that it has two garbage collectors. One for JavaScript and one for the DOM. So for example if you attach a function to a DOM event and then delete the DOM element the function will still exist in memory.
Check out this slide show. It's a bit tongue in cheek but it's good information.
They fixed this issue in IE 7. I tried your page in IE8 in windows 7 and I'm not seeing a memory leak.
The problem here lies a bit deeper than 'just' jquery. Jquery along with many other browsers "leak" circular references between DOM objects and object listeners. Say you have an input field that has attached to it a listener, then you remove the element from the dom and do not have any reference to the listener in your code. Now any modern browser (>=ie7, ff, chrome, safari, opera) will live with that and garbage collect it, while IE6 will think that because there is a listener attached to a dom element it should not garbage collect the dom and the listener itself.
To get around that some folks use very complicated design patterns as highlighted for example in events code in Google Doctype. To fix the problem for IE6 you would really need to rewrite a portion of jquery to work around IE6 issue and/or switch to using a different library and/or not attach any event listeners in your application to DOM events.
Can you try this demo here. It uses the same method as dojo implements to remove elements from the dom. Some quick testing it seems to ease the leaks, not fully but much better.
UPDATE After spending a little time on this I am convinced it is nothing to do with the datepicker itself.
My tests show that by just reloading a dummy page every 1 second sees ie leaking memory.
If you then include jquery on this page the leaks increase slightly (overhead of parsing the script) If you then add jquery-ui into the mix then again there is another slight increase in memory leakage.
To prove this if you avoid reloading the page and instead have a button that just adds an input, creates the datepicker on it then removes it, you see very little if any leaks.
Take a look at this snippet that cleans up DOM nodes. You may find it useful. https://stackoverflow.com/a/9519996/139667
The best debugger available for IE6 is Visual Studio. (Even the free edition will work.) As Janie mentions, if your problem is only happening on IE6 you'll want to debug on IE6, paying special attention to code that only runs there.
my problem is that, i what to develop a firefox plugin that extract data from the textbox and it has to be stored in some temporary memory.
i didn't have any idea about plugin's So please give the solution in a detailed manner
thank u.......!
Try reading the extension documentation, and then asking specific questions about things you still don't understand. It sounds like you are asking someone to write the whole extension for you, which isn't really the purpose of SO.
You could also look for open-source extensions that interact with text fields (like one of the ones that allows editing a text field in an external editor) and see how they work.
Have you seen the "It's all text" plugin? It allows you to edit a textarea in your editor of choice. After saving, the textarea is updated. I'm sure there's some code in that plugin that you could use.
Also, what you're describing sounds really simple. Are you sure a plugin is the right solution? Maybe a Greasemonkey script would be easier.