Supposing I have
a date (i.e. an UTC timestamp),
a location (e.g. "Paris") that I may encode as I wish (and which isn't the one of the browser),
no permanent internet access
then what can I do if I want to format my date for this specific location, correctly dealing with daylight saving time when/if it occurs ? I'd prefer a standard based solution. I expect the solution to either include a reliable table of some sorts or to call some browser/computer magic.
Of course, as the offset is dependent of the moment, I can't just store the location as an offset.
Here are 2 points which ease the problem :
I won't deal with dates before 2010
if some country decides to change the rules regarding its timezone, it's acceptable for me to release a new code/library
Have a look at moment.js which support localization in a pretty nice way as well as time zones.
For the location issue, I would say you will have a really hard time solving that without an Internet connection. I would say the only way to solve it is to have your users enter a country (and maybe time zone) manually.
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See the title: for the solution I'm working on, I need to get the current timezone offset (from the client, running javascript/jQuery) and use it in backend C# code.
The question is rather similar to the one asked here, but there are a few differences - the main one being that I am pretty sure that the time on the client computer won't be tampered with. So new Date().getTimezoneOffset() will do just fine.
I cannot read the value upon submitting a form since the user is not working in a form: after the user has logged in, among the items that are visible on the screen is a table with data entered by the user or by other users. This data contains UTC datetimes that have to be adjusted according to the client's timezone. C# code is responsible for retrieving and formatting the data - hence my question.
What would suffice, is storing the value somewhere so that C# can read it when necessary. But I don't think that can be done as well. What would be the approach here?
Thanks in advance!
Your suggested approach is flawed in that the current offset from the client's browser is only going to apply to the current date and time. In reality, time zone offsets change over time within a given time zone. You cannot just take a singular offset from one point in time and expect to use it to convert other dates and times to the same time zone. Instead, you need to use the string that identifies the time zone, not an offset from that zone.
As an example, consider the Eastern time zone in the United States. For part of the year, it uses UTC-5, and we call it Eastern Standard Time (EST). In another other part of the year, it uses UTC-4, and we call it Eastern Daylight Time (EDT). This time zone is identified by either the IANA time zone ID "America/New_York", or the Windows time zone ID "Eastern Standard Time" (which covers the entire zone, both EST and EDT despite its wording).
So, break this problem apart into a few steps:
In JavaScript, identify the users's IANA time zone (America/New_York):
If you are targeting modern web browsers, you can call this function:
Intl.DateTimeFormat().resolvedOptions().timeZone
If you need to support older web browsers, you can use jsTimeZoneDetect, or moment.tz.guess() from Moment-Timezone.
Send that string to your web server through whatever mechinsm you like (form post, XHR, fetch, etc.)
In your .NET code, receive that string and use it to reference the time zone and do the conversion. You have two options:
You can use Noda Time, passing the IANA time zone ID to DateTimeZoneProviders.Tzdb as shown in the example on the home page.
You can use .NET's built-in TimeZoneInfo object. If you're running .NET Core on non-Windows systems (Linux, OSX, etc.) you can just pass the IANA time zone ID to TimeZoneInfo.FindSystemTimeZoneById. If you are on Windows, you'll need to first convert it to a Windows time zone ID ("Eastern Standard Time"). You can use TZConvert.GetTimeZoneInfo from my TimeZoneConverter library.
Once you have either a DateTimeZone from Noda Time, or a TimeZoneInfo object, you can use the methods on it to convert UTC values to local time values for that time zone. Each of these will apply the correct offset for the point in time being converted.
I'll also say, many applications simply ask the user to choose their time zone from a dropdown list and save it in a user profile. As long as you're storing a time zone identifier string and not just a numeric offset, this approach is perfectly acceptable to replace steps 1 and 2 above.
I have a simple site under development where users can question & answer. The problem that I face is that there are users from many timezones across the globe who might be posting where their respective time will be displayed as well.Someone is posting from Asia/Calcutta,someone else from America/Phoenix and some other from Europe/London etc etc. For example, I have set the default timezone:
date_default_timezone_set('Asia/Calcutta');
People from that timezone will see the exact time.But for the people from America/Phoenix or Europe/London I have to set :
date_default_timezone_set('America/Phoenix');
or
date_default_timezone_set('Europe/London');
But all this is in a static way that I use only to explain. In real scenario how do I accomplish this task as I don't know which user from which timezone is posting.So setting timezone to specific timezones will be useless in this case. How do I resolve it dynamically or any other means of doing this?
Getting time zone when giving state and country in text box
is there any way to get the time zone of that place with this two values?
the input will be like
var state = 'New York' ;
var country = 'United States';
result should be
America/New_York
OR
get local time zone of the current browser?
I need this time zone to use in ics file.
This is impossible, for the simple reason that quite a few states span more than one timezone. See Wikipedia's list. Outside the US it can get even more complicated; I believe there are some cities that span multiple timezones.
You could cobble together guesses per state (e.g. by using that list), but if this is for figuring out the user's timezone, you'll probably have better luck just comparing the client clock with the server's UTC time and estimating based on country.
edit: Note that there's no way to ask the browser for the current timezone, either, and you can't guess reliably based on the current time, because there are many timezones where it's the same time right now but where DST is different. Your best bet is to find all the possible current timezones, estimate based on the user's location (which you also have to guess!), and just ask as a last resort.
No, there is no pre-defined methods exists.
For this you need some external web services. If you're interested you can create your own API using the information provided here in wikipedia
Updates: Based on your comments "get local time zone of the current browser
var date = new Date();
returns 12:38:05 GMT+0530 (India Standard Time)
To pick the time within the bracket use
date.toTimeString().match(/\(([^)]+)\)/)[1];
returns India Standard Time
Check this JSFiddle
But this is not you expected, however you should try Auto detect a time zone with JavaScript and for updated version try this jsTimezoneDetect
GeoNames provides a data dump that you can use:
http://download.geonames.org/export/dump/
This is per skylarsutton's response in the following previous post with a similar question (but not specific to js or query)...
I need a mapping list of cities to timezones- best way to get it?
I am looking for recommendations on displaying times in a web application in a time zone other than the user's current time zone.
We store our dates/times in UTC/GMT in the database, so it is not an issue to format the time for UTC/GMT or the user's current time zone. However, in other situations we need to display the time from the point of view of an arbitrary time zone (i.e. every date/time on this page is in Eastern, regardless of whether or not the user is in West Coast, Central, Eastern, etc.).
In the past we have stored offsets or time zone info, then done the calculations in server code in .Net or else we have done some client-side manipulations in javascript that I would prefer to avoid, since it all becomes very dependent on javascript and the user's browser. I'd like to know the best way to do this in a more client-side/MVC type application.
Here is an example:
Date stored in db: 1302790667 (Thu, 14 Apr 2011 14:17:47 GMT)
Converted date displayed for a client in Central time zone: Thu Apr 14 09:17:47 2011
Date I actually want to display, always in Eastern time zone: Thu Apr 14 10:17:47 2011
In the above example, it's easy to get the time in UTC (#1) or the user's current time zone (#2) but it is more difficult to get #3. My options seem to be:
Store offsets or time zones in the db and do calculations on the client - this is what we've done in the past with .Net but it seems even messier in client side code is the path we are currently trying to avoid.
Do the conversion on the server and send down a full date for display to the client - client receives a string ("Thu Apr 14 10:17:47 2011"). This works but it's not very flexible.
Do the conversion on the server, break it into parts and send those down to the client, then put them back together. ("{DayOfWeek:Thu, Month:Apr, Day:14, Hour:10, Minute:17}"). This gives us the correct data and gives us more flexibility in formatting the date but it feels a little wrong for this scenario.
Any other options ideas? How do others handle similar situations? Thanks.
Our results:
I tried out a few libraries like Datejs, MS Ajax, etc. and I was never very happy with them. Datejs didn't work at all in a few of my test cases, is not actively maintained, and seemed to focus a lot on syntactic sugar that we don't need (date.today().first().thursday(), etc.)
We do use jQuery for some basic date/time parsing.
I came across a lot of "roll-your-own" client-side date conversion "hacks", most of which only addressed the conversion to UTC, started off working fine, and then eventually fell apart on some edge case. This one was the 90% solution for a lot of standard UTC conversion but didn't solve our "arbitrary timezone" issue.
Between the code complexity the conversion routines added and the bugs they seemed to cause, we decided to avoid client side date processing most of the time. We do the date conversions on the server with our existing date handling routines and pass the formatted dates or info down as properties to be used by the view. If we need a separate date, we just add another property. There are usually only a few properties that we need at a time (i.e. EventDateUTC, EventDateLocal, EventDateAlwaysAustralia, and EventDayOfWeek).
I offer the suggestion that you look into the Datejs library. It offers a bunch of extensions to basic JavaScript date manipulation, including a "setTimezone()" method and flexible ways to convert a date into a formatted string for display.
I usually hesitate to suggest libraries when their use is not explicitly allowed for in questions, but Datejs isn't very large and it's pretty solid (even though it's called an "alpha" release). If you'd prefer not to rely on something like that, you might want to look at it anyway just to see the basics of how its extensions were implemented.
Let's say I have a date that I can represent in a culture-invariant format (ISO 8601).
I'll pick July 6, 2009, 3:54 pm UTC time in Paris, a.k.a. 5:54 pm local time in Paris observing daylight savings.
2009-07-06T15:54:12.000+02:00
OK... is there any hidden gem of markup that will tell the browser to convert that string into a localized version of it?
The closest solution is using Javascript's Date.prototype.toLocaleString(). It certainly does a good job, but it can be slow to iterate over a lot of dates, and it relies on Javascript.
Is there any HTML, CSS, XSLT, or otherwise semantic markup that a browser will recognize and automatically render the correct localized string?
Edit:
The method I am currently using is replacing the text of an HTML element with a localized string:
Starting with:
<span class="date">2009/07/06 15:54:12 GMT</span>
Using Javascript (with jQuery):
var dates = $("span.date", context);
// use for loop instead of .each() for speed
for(var i=0,len=dates.length; i < len; i++) {
// parse the date
var d = new Date(dates.eq(i).text());
// set the text to the localized string
dates.eq(i).text(d.toLocaleString());
}
From a practical point of view, it makes the text "flash" to the new value when the Javascript runs, and I don't like it.
From a principles point of view, I don't get why we need to do this - the browser should be able to localize standard things like currency, dates, numbers, as long as we mark it up as such.
A follow up question: Why do browsers/the Web not have such a simple feature - take a standard data item, and format it according to the client's settings?
I use toLocaleString() on my site, and I've never had a problem with the speed of it. How are you getting the server date into the Date object? Parsing?
I add a comment node right before I display the date as the server sees it. Inside the comment node is the date/time of that post as the number of milliseconds since epoch. In Rails, for example:
<!--<%= post.created_at.to_i * 1000 %>-->
If they have JS enabled, I use jQuery to grab those nodes, get the value of the comment, then:
var date = new Date();
date.setTime(msFromEpoch);
// output date.toLocaleString()
If they don't have JS enabled, they can feel free to do the conversion in their head.
If you're trying to parse the ISO time, that may be the cause of your slowness. Also, how many dates are we talking?
Unfortunately, there is not.
HTML & CSS are strictly used for presentation, as such, there is no "smarts" built in to change the way things are displayed.
Your best bet would be to use a server side language (like .NET, Python, etc.) to emit the dates into the HTML in the format you want them shown to your user.
It is not possible to do this with HTML, it has no smart tags that can make any kind of decisions like this. It is strictly presentational. I do wonder, though, if HTML5 perhaps has a tag for something like this...
Anyways, the way I see it, you have 3 options:
Stick to the Javascript way. There's questions with more details on it on this website, such as How do I display a date/time in the user’s locale format and time offset? and How can I determine a web user’s time zone?
Try to use geolocation. That is, your server side script fires off a request to one of the many geolocator services out there on the user's first page visit to try and guess where the user is. The downside of this is that it will be wrong about 10% of the time, so it's not that much better than the market share Javascript is going to get you.... (all in all, then, not a very good method...)
Ask the user! You will see that most websites that want to display a tailored experience for you will ask you this sort of thing because it's just not possible to know. As a neat fallback, you could wrap the question around <noscript> tags so you only ask those with Javascript disabled while offering the Javascript experience to those that have it.
Dojo has some pretty good localizations for dates and currencies. Using this method also allows you to pick different formats (e.g.: short date vs long date) and force locales.
The language and the user's locale should be sent on the HTTP header. You can use those to create the correct date format server-side to be displayed to the user. However, this is often undesirable because many users completely ignore their locale settings in their OS and/or browser. So, you may be feeding USA style timestamps to New Zealanders.
I liked the trick posted in the comment above, but it sounds like a QA headache, since you could be dealing with a large number of clients that implement timestamps in very different ways.
The most effective solution I have seen, is to simple provide a panel to allow your users to choose what time format they like. Some users even ****gasp**** like ISO formats. Then you do the time format conversion server side. If your application language does not have good locale to timezone formatting mapping, check your database. Many databases provide locale-based customized timezone formatting as well.
Because this anwser still popups in google I share that this is now possible to do by using a readonly datetime-local input (see below) and you can then style the input the way you want:
<input type="datetime-local" value="2018-06-12T19:30" readonly />
For more information see: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/input/datetime-local