I started to work as a UX designer and until recently have been prototyping using visual tools like Axure or Balsamiq mockups.I've always been drawn to coding though and want to become more code-oriented in my prototyping skills.
I'd like to know your opinion on choosing the right development path in my particular situation. Briefly:
What I know:
HTML + CSS, Bootstrap 4 basics, basic coding concepts (like variables, functions, classes etc.) I recently started to learn vanilla JS basic concepts.
What I want to be able to do
rapidly prototype (in order of importance!) 1. apps(!), 2. dashboards(!), 3. mobile apps, 4. web sites
have intermediate understanding of code and ability to modify it
create dynamic, animated graphs (d3.js?)
(important) dynamic animations of UI elements
Goals:
First of all I want to plan my coding schedule for next 4-5 years in advance. I understand there is no best tool and perfect path, that's why I want to follow "good enough" path.
I don't necessarily look for the newest and shiniest technology. For my purposes it needs to be efficient today and shouldn't die in a few years.
Questions:
I think it's a good idea to keep learning JS to say intermediate point,until I'll get into frameworks/libraries. That's the usual advice, but on the other hand, I only need code as far as prototyping is concerned, maybe results would come faster if I skip to frameworks directly?
If my goal is just prototyping is it still bad idea to learn jQuery afterwards? I see a lot of bad reviews recently. Should I consider (and why) any other frameworks/libs like React? In other words are there any advantages of say React over jQuery for my purposes?
Can I still use css frameworks with JS Frameworks? The concept of latter is to complicated for my now and I wonder if they can be useful for prototyping purposes or it's just a tool for professional developers (so many options, so many tools!).
Thanks!
I think it's a good idea to keep learning JS to say intermediate
point,until I'll get into frameworks/libraries. That's the usual
advice, but on the other hand, I only need code as far as prototyping
is concerned, maybe results would come faster if I skip to frameworks
directly?
Often frameworks have a clear documentation of their functions and methods and therefore I think jumping into a framework directly would spare some time. On parallel learning JS is quite important in order to recognize JS formats and modify your requirements. I would just focus on a framework with a specific goal. Try to implement it and if you encounter some errors just google it, you will definitely find some stack overflow questions.
If my goal is just prototyping is it still bad idea to learn jQuery
afterwards? I see a lot of bad reviews recently. Should I consider
(and why) any other frameworks/libs like React? In other words are
there any advantages of say React over jQuery for my purposes?
It is never bad to learn jQuery. A lot of external libraries are build based on jQuery. I would really recommend this book: "Jon Duckett-
JavaScript & JQuery" which will help you understand the basics of jQuery. I do not see any advantages of React over jQuery. Perhaps some other people have different thoughts about that.
Can I still use css frameworks with JS Frameworks? The concept of
latter is to complicated for my now and I wonder if they can be useful
for prototyping purposes or it's just a tool for professional
developers (so many options, so many tools!).
Sure, JS Frameworks often only focus on creating dynamic content or establishing functionality within your prototype. It does not really influence your CSS. You can easily use for example node.js in combination with bootstrap CSS .
Closed. This question is opinion-based. It is not currently accepting answers.
Want to improve this question? Update the question so it can be answered with facts and citations by editing this post.
Closed 9 years ago.
Improve this question
I want to create a custom UI framework in JavaScript for web applications (like Google Docs ui) (do not confuse with web application that deploy using languages like PHP, Python, etc.). However, after reading several books about web development, I understand that the best website is layered as follows:
Structure in HTML
Presentation in CSS
Behaviour in JavaScript
So there are several approaches to creating my own HTML document and control it in JavaScript. However in this approach HTML and CSS will be mixed, like in case of extJS UI. I am confused now, and I need some answers from experienced developers on how to write this kind of framework.
If HTML, CSS, and JavaScript is mixed.
What was advantages?
What was disadvantages?
Is there are other methods?
What was the usual type of creating UI frameworks?
I apologize that this answer is extremely long and at times may seem somewhat off-topic, but please keep in mind that the question was not very specific. If it is improved, or made less general, then I will gladly remove the superfluous parts, but until then, just bear with me. This is somewhat of a compilation of the other answers here, in addition to my own thoughts and research. Hopefully my ramblings will be at least somewhat helpful for answering this question.
General Tips for Frameworks
Frameworks are a ton of work, so don't spend all of that time for nothing. Work Smarter, Not Harder. In general, you should remember these things when creating a framework:
Don't Reinvent the wheel: There are tons of great frameworks out there, and if you create a framework that does the exact same thing as another framework, you've wasted a ton of your time. Of course, understanding what goes on inside another library is a great way to make your own library better. Quoting #ShadowScripter, "knowledge -> innovation." However, don't try to rewrite jQuery by yourself. :)
Solve a Problem: All good frameworks (and programs) start with a problem they are trying to solve, then design an elegant solution to solve this problem. So don't just start writing code to "create a custom UI framework," but rather come up with a specific problem you want to solve, or something you want to make easier. jQuery makes selecting and manipulating the DOM easier. Modernizr helps developers identify the features supported by a browser. Knowing the purpose of your framework will make it more worthwhile, and may even give it a chance of becoming popular.
Fork, don't rewrite: If the problem you aim to solve is already partially solved by another framework, then fork that framework and modify it to fully fit your needs. There's no shame in building of the work of others.
Optimize and Test: This is kind of a no-brainer, but before publishing version 1.0 on your website, test every single part of the function, under every single possible scenario, to make sure it won't crash and burn in production. Also, another no-brainer, minify your code (after testing) for performance benefits.
DRY and KISS: Don't repeat yourself, and keep it simple, stupid. Pretty self-explanatory.
Stick to Stable: (This is mostly my personal opinion) Unless you're trying to create a framework specifically targetted to HTML5 in Chrome 31, using experimental features and unstable code will make your framework slower, uncompatible with older browsers, and harder to develop with.
Open Source: (Another of my opinions) It takes years for huge companies like Google with thousands of dollars invested to create frameworks (e.g. AngularJS) so it is an excellent idea to make your source openly available. Having a community of developers contributing to your project will make development faster, and will make the end product faster, bug-free, and better all around. Of course, if you're going to sell it, that's another story...
For more information about best practices when making libraries, take a look at these links:
Javascript Library Design
Javascript Module Pattern: In Depth
Best Practices in Javascript Library Design
Building a Javascript Library
Types of Frameworks
The first thing you need to think about, as mentioned above, is what functionality you want your framework to provide. Here are is the list of types of frameworks/libraries (thanks to #prong for the link). For a much more comprehensive list, see jster, which has 1478 libraries, put into 8 categories, each with several subcategories.
DOM (manipulation) related
GUI-related (Widget libraries)
Graphical/Visualization (Canvas or SVG related)
Web-application related (MVC, MVVM, or otherwise)
Pure Javascript/AJAX
Template Systems
Unit Testing
Other
As you can see from the link, there are already dozens of libraries and frameworks in each of these categories, so there's not exactly much room for something new. That being said, I don't want to discourage you- who knows, you could create the next bootstrap or jQuery. So, here are some resources about each type of framework.
Note: you can't say that any type is better than the others, they simply are designed for different goals. It's like comparing apples and oranges.
DOM (manipulation) related
These types of libraries are designed to interact with, modify, and control the DOM of a website. Here are just a few of the things they do:
Select Elements in the DOM ($("div#id .class"))
Add/Remove Elements in the DOM ($("div#id .class").remove())
Edit Attributes of Elements in the DOM ($(div#id .class).height("30px"))
Edit CSS of Elements in the DOM ($(div#id .class).css("property","value"))
Add listeners for various events taking place in the DOM ($(div#id .class).click(callback))
The most notable of these, of course, is jQuery, and it has one of the largest user bases of any Javascript library. However, it is by no means perfect, and if your library wants to compete, the best thing to do would be to make it excel in the areas that jQuery fails- speed, fragmentation, and "spaghetti" code. (The last two aren't completely in your control, but there are certainly things that you can do to make it easier for users to use the most update version, and keep their code maintainable)
GUI-related (Widget libraries)
I think that this may be the type of framework you're looking to create. These types of libraries provide widgets (datepickers, accordians, sliders, tabs, etc.), interactions (drag, drop, sort, etc.) and effects (show, hide, animations, etc.). For these, people are looking for quantity- the best frameworks out there have several useful widgets/effects that work well. This is one case where it's "the more, the merrier," of course, if it works properly.
Graphical/Visualization (Canvas or SVG related)
The purpose of these libraries is to control animations on the page, specifically on an HTML5 Canvas. These feature animations and sprites for games, interactive charts, and other animations. Again, successful graphical libraries have many, many sprites/animations. For example kineticjs has over 20 different sprites available. However, make sure that quantity does not compromise performance and overall quality.
Web-application related (MVC, MVVM, or otherwise)
Basically, the idea is to provide a layout for the users to put their code in, typically separating the model (data) from the view(what the user sees), with a small controller to provide an interface between these two. This is known as MVC. While it is by no means the only software pattern to base a framework off of, it has become quite popular recently, as it makes development much easier (that's why Rails is so popular).
Pure Javascript- AJAX
This should really be two categories. The first, AJAX libraries, are often paired with a server side library and/or database (though not always) and are designed to make connections with a server and get data asynchronously. The second, "Pure Javascript" are designed to make Javascript easier to program in, as a language, provide helpful functions and programming constructs.
Template Systems
This might also be the type of framework you're looking to create. The idea is to provide components that developers can use. There's a thin line between Template Frameworks and Widget Frameworks (which twitter bootstrap, one of the most popular template frameworks, crosses a lot). While widget frameworks just give a bunch of little elements that can be put in a site, template frameworks give structure to a website (e.g. responsive columns), in addition to making it look good.
Unit Testing
This type of framework is designed to let developers test, or systematically ensure the correctness, of their code. Pretty boring, but also really useful.
Other
This type of framework is for really specific purposes that don't really fit into any of these other categories. For example, MathQuill is designed for rendering math interactively in web pages. It doesn't really fit into any other category. However, these types of frameworks aren't bad or useless, they're just unique. A perfect example is Modernizr, a library for detecting a browser's support for features. While it doesn't really have any direct competitors, can't be put into any of the other categories, and does a very small task, it works very well, and is very popular as a result.
More Types
There are a bunch of other types of libraries. Below are the categories (I'm not listing subcategories because that would take half an hour to copy down) that JSter puts their 1478 libraries into:
Essentials
UI
Multimedia
Graphics
Data
Development
Utilities
Applications
It depends on what you really want. The first distinction that needs to be made is between a Javascript UI framework (which provides structure to the app), an HTML UI Framework (Presentation) and Widget Libs.
Javascript Frameworks such as backbone, angular, ember, and knockout provide MVC-like structure to the app.
UI frameworks such as YUI, bootstrap, and Foundation provide a consistent HTML and CSS base.
Widget Libraries such as jQuery UI, Fuel UX, and Kendo UI provide ready made widgets.
There are also fully-fledged frameworks which provide things across the board, such as Google Closure tools, Dojo with Dijit.
This Wikipedia list pretty much sums it up, and here is the comparison.
In order to find the best way to create a framework, first ask this question: Can any of the above frameworks/libraries solve all or some of the problems/requirements I have?
If something solves all the problems, you can use it right away.
If something solves your problem partially, you can start by extending/forking that project/framework.
Follow DRY and KISS rules. Only solve a problem which nobody has solved as of now.
Fortunately, there is already a good solution: Google Closure Library. This is what Google uses. It shows the approach of mixing HTML, CSS and JS. I wouldn't say it's perfect, but I believe it's one of the best ones at this moment. Its architectural principles rely on proven component based and OOP concepts, and it's accompanied with a static compiler for Javascript. It's definitely worth of studying before baking your own solution.
I'd like to say that cloudcoder2000's answer sums it up nicely. I'm just writing this answer because it didn't seem right in the comment section :P
If you are thinking of making another framework, my suggesting is to stop thinking.
First find the thing in current implementations which troubles you the most, and try to find how you can improve it. Contribute to existing projects, nearly all of them are open source anyways. Also, you don't really need to be a JS-ninja to get into their midst. Take a fork, and get started. Once you're done, and feel that you're code is good enough, make it known to the original repo's maintainers that you have done improvements, and are looking for it to be merged into the project.
Keep in mind here that I'm not discouraging you from solving the problem at all.
I'm just pointing out that there are so MANY frameworks out there, wouldn't it be better if you went ahead and contributed to one of them instead of going for complete glory and implementing a full framework yourself? Making a framework is hard, but getting people interested in your framework is HARD. Really Really HARD, even for Google! Only once Angular got a very good documentation (which itself took quite some time, and resources, of Angular evangelists), that it has gathered so much steam. So, I'm just saying that instead of creating your own monument, perhaps lending a hand to others would be a more worthwhile exercise.
Most importantly though, is the fact that since you are just starting out, I presume you wouldn't have much experience designing frameworks, or thinking in those design terms even. It would of immense value if you contribute to existing projects. Then you will be gathering knowledge and experience of how things are built. Then, you'll be more confident. Then, you can go ahead and make your own framework! Then you'll be more equipped to tackle mammoth projects such as designing a framework. And Then, my friend, will you make something which would be worth the time of countless developers.
Short answer
Build a skinny DOM and only focus on JS code to make it more efficient.
Long answer
A good architect always replies with "it depends." You can't have one single framework that enjoys all others' benefits and suffers from no disadvantages, all at once. There's always a trade-off.
In order to create a framework that is really lightweight, you would probably want the lightest DOM (HTML) structure. However, having a skinny DOM might have the cost of more JS code. So you would probably try to write the most efficient code. You can start here.
Needless to say, you should be keeping the open-close principle, and have the stylesheets separated from HTML, using only classes and never inline styling. I would suggest using less. It makes the implementation faster, and the result is pure css so you suffer from no performance issues around it.
I must respectfully disagree with cloudcoder2000,
From a young age I have been being told don't re-invent the wheel, but why?
During the last 3.5 years, I have re-invented almost all of my web controls using javascript/html/css. From the extremely complex; for example a grid, rich text editor, tree view, dialog. To the very simple, like a progress bar, dropdown. What I gained is a better understanding of html/js/css.
No pain, no gain. I'm so happy with what I was doing these years as I learned more than others.
Some of the controls I re-invented, I think, are much better than the popular ones, like telerik, jquery mobile, extJS. For example, my tree view is fully customizable, with it one can build very complex trees.
So, I encourage you re-invent the wheels, and you will definitely get more than you expected. But also, from the beginning, you need to learn the source code of the popular controls, and re-invent them. You will be very happy when you find yourself be able to make the controls better.
Then the tips on creating HTML controls:
1. use jquery;
2. write jquery plugins(jQuery.prototype...) for simple controls, while define classes for complex controls;
3. separate css from html and js files. Define the html template in js, don't use html files, which make using the controls hard.
Regards,
Leo
For best performance in your UI design, you need to use a lightweight JavaScript framework like angular or backbone, Twitter Bootstrap for the UI, AJAX for base script load and use gzip compression in your app to make it lightweight and help the UI render faster.
As it currently stands, this question is not a good fit for our Q&A format. We expect answers to be supported by facts, references, or expertise, but this question will likely solicit debate, arguments, polling, or extended discussion. If you feel that this question can be improved and possibly reopened, visit the help center for guidance.
Closed 10 years ago.
My team consists of more java guys and limited experience with JavaScript. I know this question have been asked several times, but just to get my facts right, I need to clarify few things as my experience in client side technologies are very limited. We've decided to build our solution using GWT instead of pure JavaScript framework (given there are more java experience).
These were the facts to back my decision.
100% written in java
Requires basic java skills (Java SE not Java EE)
OOPHM – Out of process hosted mode – Define your browser & version. Browser compatibility no longer our problem
Debugging – debug your GWT apps just like any other Java application, using your IDE's debugger
Optimized JavaScript - GWT writes faster and more compact JavaScript than you
But some of my application function needs to use external js libraries.
For e.g. Let's say I need make use of some specific js library to draw some stuffs on a particular page. (actually that js files written in dojos).
Can above requirement be accommodated with GWT?
Do you think the decision to go with GWT is wise or do have any other recommendation?
We've found sencha gxt has the best widget library around( I'm aware its commercial, at least i found all widgets what we need). Do you think it's a wise idea to use wrapper library over core GWT ?
Thanks in advance.
Can above requirement be accommodated with GWT?
Yes (see #Andrey Kapelchik's answer).
Do you think the decision to go with GWT is wise or do have any other recommendation?
Given your background and the points you mentioned, I think it is a very good decision. I have built apps with JavaScript, jQuery etc., but for anything that's larger than 1000 lines of code, I wouldn't want to build a JavaScript app "manually" again. The points that are decisive for me:
With GWT, I can re-use parts of the code both on the server and client side. For example, I can validate on the client side to give immediate feedback, then validate again on the server for security, using the same code.
I find my way much easier in large GWT projects. While it's certainly possible to arrange even large JavaScript code in a clear way, it always tends to get unwieldy.
I make intense use of IDE features all the time (refactoring, finding write access to fields, ...), and IDE support for JavaScript is too limited for me.
You will still need a tiny bit of JavaScript knowledge here and there. Your team definitely should learn CSS, and I'd recommend to learn it thoroughly - no matter which client side framework you choose.
We've found sencha gxt has the best widget library around( I'm aware its commercial, at least i found all widgets what we need). Do you think it's a wise idea to use wrapper library over core GWT ?
In a few projects I'm working on, we're using GXT, because that decision was made a few years ago. Here's my opinion: If you need to build something that looks very much like a desktop app, GXT may be perfect, otherwise I wouldn't recommend basing the app on GXT.
You get the best performance with pure GWT, and if you know CSS, it's much more flexible. GXT has some nice features, but working around its limitations, significant performance issues (and sometimes its bugs) can be quite time-consuming. If you really need a special GXT widget, you can still build a pure GWT app, and then add just that one GXT/SmartGWT widget.
I suppose GWT is perfect for the requirements and objectives of your described project. GWT has JavaScript Native Interface to use native JavaScript. JSNI allows integrating GWT with existing JavaScript or with a external JS library. It solves these issues by allowing you to integrate JavaScript directly into application's Java source code.
My team really struggled with this issue after many false starts we determined that JavaScript can not really be avoided and it is not as bad to master as I feared it would be. The time it would take to ramp up on GWT would be around the same as it would take to ramp up on client side JS MVC framework.
We did consider GWT but dropped it because it will be harder to maintain in the long run for the following reasons.
What if the developers of GWT loose interest in maintaining it, it takes a really sophisticated skill set to maintain something like GWT.
Widgets that we might want might be available for something other GWT and porting to GWT might be more work than we want to do.
Modern JavaScript MVC frameworks are getting really mature with a lot of really cool features that make it easy to develop complex one page apps.
Browser will get better, JS frameworks will get better, it will be easier to higher front end developers ... etc.
We also evaluated dojo and dumped it because we felt that customizing it was going to be too hard for our team. Here is what we ended up with.
Twitter Bootstarp for a CSS / widget framework
A bunch of different jquery plugins wrangled up form various places online
JQuery, Backbone, Handlebars for the client side MVC framework.
If i was starting the project again today, I would go with AngularJS from Google, it really is an amazing approach for building client side web apps. Especially because of the clever use of Dependency injection in JavaScript and the two way biding and a bunch of other stuff. I was at a Throne of JS conference and the google AngularJS guys were saying that they ported a 17,000 line GWT app to 2500 line angularJS app.
Closed. This question needs to be more focused. It is not currently accepting answers.
Want to improve this question? Update the question so it focuses on one problem only by editing this post.
Closed 8 years ago.
Improve this question
First, a little background: I have written a little application in python with SQLAlchemy, which is roughly an improved RSS reader: it selects links that should interest the user, and shows them to him. I already have a very simple command-line interface, and I envision a variety of interfaces: web, instant-messaging, desktop...
For now I'd like to create a simple web interface, but I have absolutely zero experience in the matter (appart from making a simple php forum 5 or 6 years ago...). So I'm comming here for advice on where to start:
Is there a good tutorial on HTML/CSS/Javascript focused on making a website look good simply? I know about w3schools, but it's a terrible tutorial IMHO, since it teaches you about HTML/CSS but doesn't show you how to use them.
Should I use a javascript library? Which one?
Should I use a web framework? I'm guessing either not or a very lightweight one, since I already have an application core with a database and SQLAlchemy, and I don't want to drop it.
Any other advice?
Thanks!
I recommend that you use some kind of web framework, it will make things a lot easier. Since you already know Python you should look into Django framework. It seems that you can use SQLAlchemy with Django, see djange-sqlalchemy project.
I recommend using JQuery framework/library for Javascript stuff. It greatly simplifies coding and takes care of most web browser incompabilities.
This CSS tutorial seems to give you the basics.
I would start by reading the Django tutorial and start trying things out. I wouldn't worry too much about HTML stuff, you should be able to pick up enough from Django tutorial. Make your site first functional with HTML, Django and SQLAlchemy. Only then start worring about Javascript. Who knows, maybe you do not need Javascript at all?
Do not try make your site work and look good at the same time. When you are making your site work, use simple and ugly HTML pages. When you are making you web site look good, work only with static HTML pages and CSS files. It is easier to combine the two in the end.
Just like everyone else here, I'll chime in with "Use my favorite framework, because it's what I use...."
I would start with small goals for a web interface. Get something simple up and running that to make sure you understand how things work.
Write an app that responds to the following url and returns something.
http://localhost:8000/my_links
Once you understand the little bit of machinery it takes to make that possible, what is handed to you as far as information about the request, and what you need to produce to return to the caller, it should be come clear how to fill in the blanks to get from your existing application to data thrown at the web browser.
Learn WSGI for no other reason than most of the libraries that will help you build a web application utilize this to some degree.
One of the links from the above page that I found extremely beneficial in understanding how all this works. was Ian Bickings article "A Do-it Yourself Framework"
Once you get a grasp of that stuff, you may find that dealing with WSGI at such a low level is maybe a little too cumbersome. That's when you'll probably want something like WebOb
which is just one of several ways people have come up with for abstracting away the low level details of the request/response cycle into some convenient objects. In a sense encompassing the HTTP protocol without trying to make it make sense to someone who doesn't want to know what HTTP is.
Depending on the complexity of your application you may decide that handling a request, looking at the path and dispatching off to one of many functions is a drag you'd rather not deal with. This is where everyone's favorite framework starts to be beneficial. And I would suspect that you would know enough by this point to better assess the frameworks that are out there and determine which fits your needs and goals.
Lots prefer django, maybe you will too. Others prefer Turbogears, and or Pylons, maybe bfg, maybe grok, maybe zope, maybe plone. But no one here knows what you want your application to do.
It's an interestingly common mistake: all of the above answers provide technological advise on what's the best technology to do ... what exactly? You should work the other way around.
I think that if you want your application to be successful, you have to make sure it enables its users to get the most out of it in the most natural way to them.
Therefore, i suggest you first "storyline" how things should happen from a user's perspective. Use paper and pen, or more sophisticated wireframing tools such as balsamiq mockups.
So, first lay out what the experience should be, and this will tell you which technology will be the best choice to enable that experience.
Oh, and don't forget to read this.
HTML, CSS and JS Book: DHTML and CSS for the World Wide Web
Javascript Library: JQuery
Web Framework: Not sure, DJango?
Other Advice: Learn to write HTML, CSS, and JS in a a simple text editor with syntax highlighting. Complex IDE's are cool, but for this stuff, they will make you learn slower.
Web applications are not simple.
HTML and CSS: Head First HTML is probably a good starting point. The Head First series are usually excellent tutorials. As Josh said, write your pages by hand.
Javascript: you don't need this to get started. Maybe in a later version. When you have a better idea what you'll need Javascript for, you'll be better equipped to pick a library that suits your needs.
Web framework: You should probably start with Django. That's the opposite of a "very lightweight" framework, but in this context "lightweight" requires more expertise to make something polished. So it's a good idea to aim for "feature rich and well supported" instead.
Here is another option, I feel it's worth mentioning before making any decision.
As web framework I would advise web2py, it is very easy to setup and yet powerful. Here is a document showing the differences between Django, web2py and some others. It is somewhat old but will give you a good overview.
Since you have legacy code, if you really want to keep it there is a fair compatibility between the two although you should double-check. The easiest would be to adapt your code, of course, the differences aren't so big. But that's your call :-)
Regarding the Javascript library, probably jQuery.
The best introduction you could follow is the opera web standards curriculum. Some of the information will be too basic - but a full understanding of all the topics covered will give you a very good grounding.
http://www.opera.com/company/education/curriculum/
Alternatively team up with someone who specialises in front-end development.